I hear there was this thing in Iowa...

[diesel_powered]

Okay, time this got its own thread.

So woo Edwards, boo Huckabee.

[slow west vultures]

and chuck norris was there.  wearing flannel.  hillary clinton had bill, madeleine albright and wesley clark behind her for her speech but all of those don't equal one chuck norris.  seriously - soft spoken former southern baptist minister plus chuck norris as sidekick would make one hell of a tough presidential campaign to stop. 

[Maaik]

ABC interrupted Grey's Anatomy (tMO was livid) to report that Obama was ahead.

I'm all like "that's cool."

What the fuck kind of tie is Wolf Blitzer wearing?

[edit] Also: did you guys see this thing in the Onion?

[diesel_powered]

Haven't we already discussed Thompson's gorgeous wife? Maybe we should sue...

[Maaik]

anyone watching CNN?  Doesn't that look like a blurry Doug Martsh just over Obama's shoulder?

[dieblucasdie]

Haven't we already discussed Thompson's gorgeous wife? Maybe we should sue...

1)  Kucinich's wife is way hotter.
2)  But really Michelle Obama is such a badass that none of it matters.  Really, if she was running against her husband I might vote for her.

[diesel_powered]

Holy fuck (from Wikipedia):

Elizabeth is originally from North Ockendon in London, England. In 1996 she went to Agra, India, to volunteer at one of Mother Teresa's homes for India's poorest children.[1] Upon earning her bachelor's and master's degrees at the University of Kent, she spent 16 months in a rural Tanzanian village and worked as an advocate for regional development.[1]

After leaving Tanzania, she volunteered with a British Red Cross refugee unit; earned a certificate in Peace Studies from Coventry University; and got a job as a fund-raiser for a seafarer's charity in London.[1] Her volunteer work often brought her to the House of Lords.[1] At that time she heard financial analyst Stephen Zarlenga speak about monetary reform. She was impressed and soon was hired to become Zarlenga's assistant at the Chicago-based American Monetary Institute.[1] That work took her and Zarlenga to Dennis Kucinich's office.[1]

Gorgeous, intelligent, concerned with charity... yeah... huge crush.

[dieblucasdie]

Well, I dunno.  She *did* marry Dennis Kucinich.  There was a hilarious article in Slate a while back about how there were a couple weeks where "Dennis Kucinich's wife" got more google searches than "Dennis Kucinich"

[Maaik]

No no, still totally crush-worthy.  I mean, c'mon--all that AND a redhead?

[diesel_powered]

She worked with ORPHANS.

IN INDIA.

Did I mention she's way hot?

[dieblucasdie]

So... how about that Jackie Dodd?  ROWR!  Come on, Greg Nog, back me up on this!

[elpollodiablo]

Wow. Didn't see that coming, honestly.

Least I'll feel a bit better voting Edwards when it comes time.

[diesel_powered]

Once again, it's the battle between who's more qualified vs. who's tighter with the big JC. Explain again why being a Baptist qualifies Huckabee to lead the nation internationally?

[davy]

Well, I dunno.  She *did* marry Dennis Kucinich.  There was a hilarious article in Slate a while back about how there were a couple weeks where "Dennis Kucinich's wife" got more google searches than "Dennis Kucinich"

well, this is not surprising, seeing as how i myself have now searched for "elizabeth kucinich" exactly one more time than i have searched for "dennis kucinich".

[jebreject]

where is our iowa man in the streets? jooooooonnnnnnn!

[Andrew_TSKS]

Haven't we already discussed Thompson's gorgeous wife? Maybe we should sue...

kucinich's wife > thompson's wife.

sorry, but the onion blew it on that one.

EDIT: of course, the post after i stopped reading the thread to post this was blucas saying the same thing i just said. oops. note to self: FINISH THE THREAD.

[Andrew_TSKS]

Once again, it's the battle between who's more qualified vs. who's tighter with the big JC. Explain again why being a Baptist qualifies Huckabee to lead the nation internationally?

60% of republican caucus-goers self-identified as evangelicals, according to an msnbc entrance poll. SIXTY FUCKING PERCENT.

meanwhile, it's looking like the democrats pulled somewhere around 225,000 caucus-goers, which, according to various sources, is above and beyond even the wildest expectations. howard dean looked like the belle of the ball on msnbc tonight (for the record, i watched most of their 4 hours of live caucus coverage--but on a several-hour tape delay).

edwards gets mad props from me for coming in second after all the polls had him several points below hilary. it's obvious to me that hilary has a serious backlash that may have been under the radar before now (but won't be from here on in), and i think that's great, because she is NOT the candidate of change here. edwards speaks most honestly and passionately to the issues that i myself care about--health care, jobs, education, and a better life for future generations--and as i said in the other thread, his speech made me cry. i'd walk through fire to vote for the guy. i'm actually making plans to vote in the va democratic primary, just so i can cast a vote for the guy. i've never paid any attention to primaries before.

the huckabee thing--guys, i gotta admit, i'm stoked. i really hope huckabee blows all the other republicans away and gets the nomination. i've said it before and i'll say it again--i could live with him way easier than any other republican. BUT i don't think he can win the general election. the thing is, bush managed to walk both sides of the line that's drawn down the middle of the republican party these days--he spouted social conservative/pseudo-christian platitudes to the evangelical side, while making plenty of economic promises to the greedheads on the other side. once he got into office, though, it became obvious what he really was, at bottom--the greedhead, wearing the trappings of the pious evangelical in order to hoodwink a shitload of working class christians into voting counter to their economic interests. and then he didn't even bother to make the social-conservative shit he promised happen. in the current republican race, no one is walking that line. you've either got the evangelicals (huckabee and nobodies you may or may not have heard of like brownback and i guess tancredo) and the business guys (giuliani, romney, mccain, etc), with ron paul over on the lunatic fringe--a pretty strange place for a candidate whose positions basically read like standard pre-1964 republicanism, but i guess that's the state of the union. anyway, i think the business guys need the evangelicals to vote on their side in order to win a general election, but with huckabee, an actual sincere evangelical who has no interest in being pro-business and even talks about being anti-business, suddenly a front runner, well, good luck luring any of the evangelicals over to any of the other frontrunning campaigns. on the other hand, the business guys ain't gonna cross the line for huckabee, either. the republican convention this year is going to be more fascinating than the super bowl, and i say that knowing that my favorite team may well be in the super bowl at this point.

getting back to the democrats, i love edwards because he's looking out for people like me, but i have absolutely no problem with obama. he's definitely my second choice, and other than the fact that he hasn't had the same concentrations as edwards, he's said nothing that i disagree with or that doesn't sit well with me. i really just don't want to see clinton get the nomination. i think it was interesting that the first part of her speech delved into how the night was a victory for the democratic party no matter how you looked at it--it was surprisingly gracious, which of course makes me distrust it completely. sure, it's a victory for the democrats no matter what, and i think it says a lot about where the general election is probably heading (although getting overconfident after one primary would be a huge mistake), but i can't imagine that hilary isn't burning with envy and hatred over coming in third in a primary where she thought she was assured of a win. hell, obama at least spent somewhere around the same money she did--edwards spent way less and still managed to beat her! what's this going to mean next week in new hampshire, and beyond? it'll be interesting to see.

i'm reading hunter s. thompson's "generation of swine" right now, so i can't help but wonder what the good doctor would say about all this, were he here to see it. i wish he'd stuck around a bit longer. ah well.

sorry guys, this wasn't supposed to be so long. it probably should have been a blog entry. my bad.

[morgan]

Ok, I just watched Edwards' speech, and I definitely cried.

[popquizkid]

it's obvious to me that hilary has a serious backlash that may have been under the radar before now (but won't be from here on in), and i think that's great, because she is NOT the candidate of change here.

it was quite interesting... in my precinct, after candidate groups determined they were not viable, almost all went to obama/edwards.  hillary gained exactly 5 people from the first round of caucusing to the second.  obama gained 80 or so and edwards got 40.

a friend of mine said almost the same thing happened in her precinct.

[DCDave]

Dudes, but a black man won a Democratic primary by eight percentage points in a state, essentially, without African-Americans. 

[Doctor Bob]

Why is Edwards' speech making people cry?

[C of heartbreak]

Yeah I want to see this speech.

[SPACERACE]

Haven't we already discussed Thompson's gorgeous wife? Maybe we should sue...

hey, going back to this, no one's got anything on mr. kucinich

[YojimboMonkey]

Ha, so many headlines that are variants of this:

[jebreject]

the thing is, bush managed to walk both sides of the line that's drawn down the middle of the republican party these days--he spouted social conservative/pseudo-christian platitudes to the evangelical side, while making plenty of economic promises to the greedheads on the other side. once he got into office, though, it became obvious what he really was, at bottom--the greedhead, wearing the trappings of the pious evangelical in order to hoodwink a shitload of working class christians into voting counter to their economic interests. and then he didn't even bother to make the social-conservative shit he promised happen.

You're forgetting how much lip service he was giving the Hispanic population, which I honestly think helped him much more than a lot of us realize.