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coldforge
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Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 10, 2008, 11:38:49 PM »
My father was a card player from wayback. He even told me there was a time when he was considering dropping out of college to become a professional pokerist in Vegas. I'm not sure how well that would have turned out; Hold 'Em was never his game. He preferred stud, draw, hi-low—He was a man who delighted in the multitude of variations of the poker hand.
In high school, like every good lusty young man, I became more interested in the arts myself. As I was my tendency, I came to the thing a bit early, and evangelized and motivated my peers. Which meant I was the best card player in the senior lounge, see, because I had started on it first.
But I have since wearied of Poker. It was not, to be sure, ever a particularly underground pastime; by the time I got to it I considered it up there with baseball and exploitation as a great American recreation. But I will say that the great media exposure of several years past has had, to me, a detrimental effect to the game: it has brought out of the woodwork every would-be cardsharp, every failed business major whose Gordon Gecko dreams can nonetheless be played out at the cards table. In other words, it's the players that have soured it for me. Every side-hatted frat boy sidles up to the table with his unlit cigarette and wraparound shades and smirks in his sureness that he can bilk everyone else at the table.
He's wrong, of course; but I work for a living. I don't play cards just so I can surround myself with a bunch of money-hungry scum looking to bankrupt me; I have rent for that. The savor of a card game has always been in a) the interplay of the numbers and the cards themselves on the table, and the structures, narratives and drama they create; and b) the interplay of their holders, the narratives and structure and general enjoyment we create for ourselves. Not to mention, any evening where enjoying my whisky is actually advised
against
is a total downer.
So I'm a) removing money from the occasion and b) moving on to less grazed, more exotic pastures. It's twofold, I guess. Part of it is a love of the new, a curiosity, and an enjoyment of learning. The other half is enjoying that old homefield advantage which I secure for myself by being the one to discover and introduce the game at hand.
It's been working out well. My most habitual game these days is
Scopa
, a Sicilian of the category they call 'fishing'. Put simply, there are cards in the hand and on the table; you have to match the former to the latter, or match one of the former to several of the latter (by addition), and thereby capture them. What's fun is the variety of mechanisms by which you score points; I won't go into specifics. I play weekly, and it's good fodder for drink and conversation. Best with 2 teams of 2.
A friend taught me a quite widespread Russian game called
Durak
, as well. I find it a bit less balanced and less strategic than Scopa; basically one player plays some cards to the next in line, and that person has to beat each card or take them all in his hand. When a card is played anybody else at the table can pile on. In what feels like a very Slavic touch, there are no winners to this game, only losers. It's fun, especially when played quickly.
But most recently I've been playing a game called, depending on who you ask,
Bela or Clobyosh
. I think I first found it because it seems to be the only game accessible which is for whatever reason seen as characteristically Jewish. It's a trick-taking game, and it has a nice balance of features: a bidding element, but not as Axis & Allies as Bridge; combinations, but not too many; and a couple lovely wicked twists. My scopa buddies refuse to give it a second look, since at their first they deemed it too Byzantine and complicated. But they said that about scopa too. Anyway, there's a version online where you can play against the computer—both 2- and 4-handed versions.
So, that's what
I've
been doing lately. Have any of you had any experiences with the above three games (or Bouré, out of Louisiana, which my father taught me when I was young but I've never played in any great enough amount to comment on)? If not, what do you like to do for fun, cards-wise? Failing that, I suppose, you can talk about that time in poker night when you totally won like, 300 bucks off this one guy.
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elpollodiablo
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 08:58:40 AM »
You are such an effete buttmunch man
I still play poker; I still enjoy playing poker. Played last night.
*but really I quite enjoyed your post. Still an effete buttmunch tho
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alistarr*
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 09:21:26 AM »
i play poker but only in a nominal-stakes-only kind of way (usually we just all put in £10 for chips at the start of the night and that's that). my general rule is to avoid any games where i stand to lose more money than i allocated for beer on the same night (if you lose it's just expenses for the night and if you win nobody hates you). with that condition in mind, i always find poker a really friendly game and a great excuse for a long and low-cost night in with my old friends.
do you have any reccs for two player card games?
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coldforge
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 09:41:22 AM »
Both scopa and clobyosh can be played with two players. They're both a lot of fun; I think clobyosh is a little better, though, for 2-player, because with Scopa you play through the whole deck, and with Clobyosh you just play 9 tricks.
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FreddyKnuckles
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 09:54:41 AM »
online poker is to poker what porn is to sex.
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coldforge
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 10:40:14 AM »
You been waiting to use that one a while, Freddy?
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andronicus
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 12:35:29 PM »
Spades was the game we played in high school. And then Hearts, on rare occasion, to break up the monotony.
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nonotyet
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Jan 11, 2008, 12:38:13 PM »
The only card games I ever play with regularity are Uno and cribbage and I have some baaaaad memories associated with cribbage, as my dad used it as a mental math teaching tool when I was a kid and he was not the most patient teacher in the world.
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dieblucasdie
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Jan 11, 2008, 12:41:19 PM »
The thing I like about Uno is that the game is specifically designed to start fistfights.
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The_Tourist
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Jan 11, 2008, 12:43:39 PM »
i played strip uno once.
it turned out well. very well.
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dieblucasdie
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Jan 11, 2008, 12:48:13 PM »
Until you got that damn reverse card
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Andrew_TSKS
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Jan 11, 2008, 04:13:21 PM »
i played strip uno once too. everyone was naked after like an hour.
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Lucy
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Jan 11, 2008, 04:20:04 PM »
My sister kicks my ass at War. I caught Brian cheating at War against her last time we were in MA (he was trying to lose though, the game had gone on for-ev-er). My grandfather played Gin Rummy regularly with his buddies at the country club, so he taught me to play at a young age. I used to be better at it than I currently am...I got out of practice after he died.
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Andrew_TSKS
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Jan 11, 2008, 04:52:30 PM »
hah, fuck playing war. that's a good way to kill at least 4 hours.
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El_Josharino
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 06:10:20 PM »
In college my roommates and I used to sit around the table and get some pretty intense pitch games going. We played 13 point, and it was rare that the bidding stopped under 10. Those were good times.
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coldforge
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Jan 11, 2008, 06:46:15 PM »
pitch? splain.
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morgan
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Jan 11, 2008, 06:54:21 PM »
I used to play Egyptian Rat Screw all the time when I was in middle school and high school. Great game, but it can get really violent.
Some of you might remember that I used to date a guy who played Magic: The Gathering for money. He made more money playing it than he did at his 9 - 5 office job, actually, and once went to France solely for a tournament. I just found out a couple of days ago that he's now professionally playing poker in Reno.
Weird.
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maggiego
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 07:09:52 PM »
I'm a decent poker player, though I prefer the nickel-dime-quarter home game variety.
protip: DO NOT play pinochle with yr lover. It will replace sex. Just don't go there at all.
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Andrew_TSKS
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 07:15:03 PM »
Quote from: morgan on Jan 11, 2008, 06:54:21 PM
I used to play Egyptian Rat Screw all the time when I was in middle school and high school. Great game, but it can get really violent.
Some of you might remember that I used to date a guy who played Magic: The Gathering for money. He made more money playing it than he did at his 9 - 5 office job, actually, and once went to France solely for a tournament. I just found out a couple of days ago that he's now professionally playing poker in Reno.
Weird.
i remember sarah dating a dude who was into magic the gathering, but i didn't remember that you did too. what is it with you wisconsin girls and the card-based rpg boys?
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Lucy
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 07:33:51 PM »
Quote from: Andrew_TSKS on Jan 11, 2008, 07:15:03 PM
what is it with wisconsin?
(i jest!)
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morgan
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Re: Games of a cartile nature
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Jan 11, 2008, 07:39:48 PM »
Hahaha. Yeah, Sarah and I, we are awesome.
Now I am dating a guy who's planning on getting his whole left arm tattooed with video game characters. Hah!
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DCDave
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Quote from: morgan on Jan 11, 2008, 07:39:48 PM
Hahaha. Yeah, Sarah and I, we are awesome.
Now I am dating a guy who's planning on getting his whole left arm tattooed with video game characters. Hah!
Hey Morgan which guy was it? Wisconsin has some really, really good Magic players.
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El_Josharino
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Quote from: coldforge on Jan 11, 2008, 06:46:15 PM
pitch? splain.
Can be played by anywhere from 3-6 people, for even numbers it's two teams, for odd numbers the partnership varies. You deal out the cards and then take turns bidding how many points you can win in whichever suit in which you have the strongest hand. Then whoever bids the highest wins the bid, and their team has to make at least that many points in the suit of the bidder's choice. If they do, then they earn however many points they won, so if they win more than they bid they get that many points and if they don't get as much as they bid then they lose whatever they bid. The team that loses the bid earns as many points as they win. You win points by taking tricks based on who has the plays the highest ranked card. Ranks are 2 low to ace high, with the off Jack (Jack of the same color, but opposite suit) ranks just behind the jack, and if you play with jokers then they rank just behind the off Jack, with the first Joker played ranking higher than the second. And if you're playing 13-point then the off three is ranked just behind the three, and the cards have varying values. Any card in the trump suit outranks any non-trump card. The strategy comes in attempting to feed points to your teammate. For example, if trump is hearts, and your partner has played the King, and you have the Ace, ten, seven, and three, you know your partner will get the trick because you have the ace, so it'd be best to save your ace for another trick and feed points to your partner, so you'd play the three, because it's worth 3 points as opposed to the 10 being 1 and the 7 being 0, or if the opposing team is probably going to get the trick, you can throw a 0 value card to minimize the damage. Once everyone has run out of trump cards, you tally the points and write it down, and start another hand/round of bidding/etc. The first team to 52 points is the winner.
The ones I like are when you play "call your partner" and the winning bidder chooses a card, and the holder of that card is their partner for only that hand. For that hand they accumulate points as a team, but the teams change with each hand, so there's a sort of every man for himself sort of thing going at the same time.
I hope I didn't explain that too crappily.
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morgan
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Uh...I feel kind of weird putting his full name on a message board, Dave, so I'll just send you a private message.
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Quote from: maggiego on Jan 11, 2008, 07:09:52 PM
protip: DO NOT play pinochle with yr lover. It will replace sex. Just don't go there at all.
My dad's side of the family all plays Pinochle, and when everyone used to get together every Saturday, that's what all the uncles and aunts and my grandparents would do. Somehow I never learned.
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