Dodd/Kucinich 08': Election Blu-Galoo

[dieblucasdie]

clinton's best shots are pretty weak: I was married to the president so I'm more experienced than you; I was in the senate slightly before you were; my health care plan is more developed than yours even though it isn't.

This is a bit disingenuous though, Knucks. Especially the first one, considering that's not her argument, nor is that the case. "Married to the president" in this case = actually doing a lot of different things politically, including trying to launch a universal healthcare plan. The truth is, she is more experienced than Obama. Whether that's enough to make her a better president, well ...

As far as I'm concerned, political experience is to be counted against a candidate. I mean, everyone's talking about how we need change, so why should experience be counted as a positive? I mean, it's pretty common knowledge that the way most politicians operate is pretty shady, so why would anyone want to show off about how accustomed they've become to dealing in the crooked ways that all beltway politicians do?

Kucinich has been Congress longer than either Obama or Clinton. 

[dieblucasdie]

Asserting that he was "offended" by comments that Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean reportedly made during a speech at Georgetown University -- in which Dean reportedly said that the Democratic field "looks like America," while the Republican field, made up of white males, "looks like the 1950s and talks like the 1850s" -- Pat Buchanan said on the February 28 edition of Tucker: "Look, what did white males do? OK, they were the only guys signing the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, all the dead at Gettysburg, all the dead at Normandy." Buchanan then responded to radio host Bill Press by stating, "Why is it ... OK to mock ... backhand white -- no wonder you're losing white males," and also said, "I think you guys are self-hating white folks." His comments came after host Tucker Carlson asserted of Dean's remarks: "I must say, I'm not going to sit by a single more time and listen to someone slag on, quote, 'white men.' "

Wow.  It's tempting to laugh and move on, but this is mainstream discourse.  Did a major news outlet seriously pay a dude to come on air and fault black people for not signing the freaking Declaration of Independence?  What, a 6% rise in the price of tea wasn't a priority while you were FUCKING ENSLAVED?     

[elpollodiablo]

clinton's best shots are pretty weak: I was married to the president so I'm more experienced than you; I was in the senate slightly before you were; my health care plan is more developed than yours even though it isn't.

This is a bit disingenuous though, Knucks. Especially the first one, considering that's not her argument, nor is that the case. "Married to the president" in this case = actually doing a lot of different things politically, including trying to launch a universal healthcare plan. The truth is, she is more experienced than Obama. Whether that's enough to make her a better president, well ...

As far as I'm concerned, political experience is to be counted against a candidate. I mean, everyone's talking about how we need change, so why should experience be counted as a positive? I mean, it's pretty common knowledge that the way most politicians operate is pretty shady, so why would anyone want to show off about how accustomed they've become to dealing in the crooked ways that all beltway politicians do?

That is dumb.

Also, what blucas posted: dumb.

[Andrew_TSKS]

"Married to the president" in this case = actually doing a lot of different things politically, including trying to launch a universal healthcare plan. The truth is, she is more experienced than Obama. Whether that's enough to make her a better president, well ...

i gotta say, though, i feel like she got those political responsibilities by virtue of who she was married to. i mean, if bill clinton was married to someone else, would hillary rodham still have been the one working on those projects? i really don't think so. she wouldn't have political cred at this point without having first married someone who had his own political career. that's a lot of why the fact that the first viable female presidential candidate is the wife of a former president bothers me so much. i'd like to see a woman running for president, but not one who owes at least 75% of her political career to her husband. i'd much rather it be, say, barbara boxer.

[auto-da-fey]

Asserting that he was "offended" by comments that Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean reportedly made during a speech at Georgetown University -- in which Dean reportedly said that the Democratic field "looks like America," while the Republican field, made up of white males, "looks like the 1950s and talks like the 1850s" -- Pat Buchanan said on the February 28 edition of Tucker: "Look, what did white males do? OK, they were the only guys signing the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, all the dead at Gettysburg, all the dead at Normandy." Buchanan then responded to radio host Bill Press by stating, "Why is it ... OK to mock ... backhand white -- no wonder you're losing white males," and also said, "I think you guys are self-hating white folks." His comments came after host Tucker Carlson asserted of Dean's remarks: "I must say, I'm not going to sit by a single more time and listen to someone slag on, quote, 'white men.' "

Wow.  It's tempting to laugh and move on, but this is mainstream discourse.  Did a major news outlet seriously pay a dude to come on air and fault black people for not signing the freaking Declaration of Independence?  What, a 6% rise in the price of tea wasn't a priority while you were FUCKING ENSLAVED?     

Not only is that a load of racist bullshit, it takes about three minutes of googling around to factually disprove it. There's an entire BOOK on African Americans and the Gettysburg Campaign (in fact, that's its precise title, by James Paradis) that "dispels the myth that no black men fought or were killed defending Gettysburg from the Confederate invasion." I mean, not that facts and truth alone are capable of refuting this Glorious White Men narrative that these assholes peddle, but if they're going to work so hard to vaporize all historical context completely, they could at least strive for meaningless factual accuracy.

[theothermike]

Where is Buchanon from?

Perhaps he wasn't referring to the defenders...

[Andrew_TSKS]

that's entirely possible.

He had a great-grandfather who fought in the American Civil War on the Confederate side. He expresses pride in his Southern heritage. He is also a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans[4] and admires Robert E. Lee.

of course, robert e. lee was an abolitionist anyway.

[slow west vultures]

i don't know where he's from either, but i find it entirely appropriate that the logo for his website is a rickety 19th century typewriter:

http://www.buchanan.org/

i was watching him on Tom Brokaw's 1968 special for the History Channel, and he was laughing about his role as an observer for the Nixon campaign of the 1968 Democratic National Convention.  he was on the phone with nixon and nixon was asking him what the general mood of the convention was , and in the background he could hear student protesters shouting "F U Daley, F U Daley"  i think if there's a reactionary right wing side, that dude will take it. 

[auto-da-fey]

Yeah, he's definitely on record as a Confederate apologist, and I almost made a similar comment about him framing the battle as "resistance to Yankee imperialism" or something, but still, there's no way around the fact that he's verifiably incorrect.

Also, fun trivia on Buchanan: he was the in-house Nixon ghostwriter for the dissenting report for the Presidential Commission on Obscenity and Pornography in 1970, putting words in Citizens for Decent Literature leader Charles Keating's mouth, in which the analysis of several leading sociologists and other experts that pornography is harmless to adults with sex educations was "refuted" by anecdotes about Puerto Rican and Indian migrant workers devolving from "manly, decent people" into "rapists obsessed with sex, including many deviations" after encountering dirty pictures in New York. So truth has been a pretty malleable concept for the dude since early in his political career.

[slow west vultures]

fuck, is that ol' Charlie Keating from Arizona - patriarch of the great Savings & Loan Collapse (and also Olympic Gold medal winning swimmer Gary Hall Jr.'s grandfather)?

edited to add:  yeah, it was.  crazy world.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Keating  republicans be all six degrees of kevin bacon with each other. 

[auto-da-fey]

That's him--criminal swindler AND leader of the modern antiporn movement!

[FreddyKnuckles]

clinton's best shots are pretty weak: I was married to the president so I'm more experienced than you; I was in the senate slightly before you were; my health care plan is more developed than yours even though it isn't.

This is a bit disingenuous though, Knucks. Especially the first one, considering that's not her argument, nor is that the case. "Married to the president" in this case = actually doing a lot of different things politically, including trying to launch a universal healthcare plan. The truth is, she is more experienced than Obama. Whether that's enough to make her a better president, well ...

As far as I'm concerned, political experience is to be counted against a candidate. I mean, everyone's talking about how we need change, so why should experience be counted as a positive? I mean, it's pretty common knowledge that the way most politicians operate is pretty shady, so why would anyone want to show off about how accustomed they've become to dealing in the crooked ways that all beltway politicians do?

Kucinich has been Congress longer than either Obama or Clinton. 

Yeah, she is slightly more experienced than Obama.

I heard this old broad on the radio the other night freaking out because I guess in some states that clinton camp was handing out literature and buttons and stickers etc. that actually said something along the lines of, 'did you like bill clinton? vote for mrs. clinton'.

gag me

[Andrew_TSKS]

yeah, i certainly don't think the clintons are above using weird gender-politics tactics when it seems beneficial to them.

as far as pat buchanan, i was not specific when i said "that's entirely possible" but i was basing that remark on the fact that ol' pat is the great-grandson of a confederate army veteran*, and is known for being very proud of such a thing. which ties in nicely with his public confederate sympathizing.

*--then again, i'm the great-great-grandson of TWO confederate army veterans, one of whom was part of the confederate special forces, so it doesn't necessarily mean much on its own.

[dieblucasdie]

clinton's best shots are pretty weak: I was married to the president so I'm more experienced than you; I was in the senate slightly before you were; my health care plan is more developed than yours even though it isn't.

This is a bit disingenuous though, Knucks. Especially the first one, considering that's not her argument, nor is that the case. "Married to the president" in this case = actually doing a lot of different things politically, including trying to launch a universal healthcare plan. The truth is, she is more experienced than Obama. Whether that's enough to make her a better president, well ...

As far as I'm concerned, political experience is to be counted against a candidate. I mean, everyone's talking about how we need change, so why should experience be counted as a positive? I mean, it's pretty common knowledge that the way most politicians operate is pretty shady, so why would anyone want to show off about how accustomed they've become to dealing in the crooked ways that all beltway politicians do?

Kucinich has been Congress longer than either Obama or Clinton. 

Yeah, she is slightly more experienced than Obama.

I heard this old broad on the radio the other night freaking out because I guess in some states that clinton camp was handing out literature and buttons and stickers etc. that actually said something along the lines of, 'did you like bill clinton? vote for mrs. clinton'.

gag me

I'd like to see a source on this.  Some googling turned up nothing, and I'd say it's even odds that this is some made-up bullshit.

[jebreject]

yeah, i certainly don't think the clintons are above using weird gender-politics tactics when it seems beneficial to them.

as far as pat buchanan, i was not specific when i said "that's entirely possible" but i was basing that remark on the fact that ol' pat is the great-grandson of a confederate army veteran*, and is known for being very proud of such a thing. which ties in nicely with his public confederate sympathizing.

*--then again, i'm the great-great-grandson of TWO confederate army veterans, one of whom was part of the confederate special forces, so it doesn't necessarily mean much on its own.

I'm named after a Confederate general, sort of

[elpollodiablo]

It's spelled m e t h o d man

[davy]

man, i'm more excited about tomorrow than i have been for the past 15 super bowls combined.

 

me & msnbc are gonna be tight.

[elpollodiablo]

Fox News is here with like a fleet of buses and vans. They're taping Fox & Friends at the student center tomorrow morning. I cannot fucking wait for this primary to be over.

[Thermofusion]

Fox News is here with like a fleet of buses and vans. They're taping Fox & Friends at the student center tomorrow morning. I cannot fucking wait for this primary to be over.

Fox & Friends has to be the single most excruciating show on Fox, which is an Olympian feat.  And let's get real: a program with a title like "Fox and Friends" oughtta be a Nick Jr. series about fey woodland creatures, not a bitter morning platform for Brian Kilmeade to overcompensate for his amusingly blatant homosexuality by feigning disgust toward Britney Spears and Paris Hilton

[elpollodiablo]

Yeah, I know all about it. I used to watch it every morning when I worked nights. Back then at least I felt like I had some kind of excuse because it provided an opportunity to look at Juliette Huddy.

[Thermofusion]

Dude, if it's AM cable news hotness you want -- it is all about some Robin Meade on Headline News.  Whoever decided that short skirts, knee-high boots and fishnet stockings with occasional teasing glimpses of garter straps somehow equals reasonable newscast attire deserves a couple of peace prizes.  Or at least a round of beer.

[elpollodiablo]

Yeah, Huddy was definitely of the short skirt, knee-high boots school

[Thermofusion]

God bless blatant pandering to the 18-34 male demographic.

[hannah]

Fox & Friends has to be the single most excruciating show on Fox, which is an Olympian feat.  And let's get real: a program with a title like "Fox and Friends" oughtta be a Nick Jr. series about fey woodland creatures, not a bitter morning platform for Brian Kilmeade to overcompensate for his amusingly blatant homosexuality by feigning disgust toward Britney Spears and Paris Hilton

[elpollodiablo]

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