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DCDave
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« Reply #450 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:39:12 PM »

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a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

Oh goody he worked in some suck-ass appeals to solidarity with Israel

Unlike shill to AIPAC, Hilary Clinton.
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elpollodiablo
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« Reply #451 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:40:01 PM »

Saw that.

So what's his thesis, here? This isn't a good time to talk about race?
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« Reply #452 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:41:07 PM »

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a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

Oh goody he worked in some suck-ass appeals to solidarity with Israel

Unlike shill to AIPAC, Hilary Clinton.

Am I making any comparisons to HC? No, I'm not. I'm not gonna swallow whole the Obama narrative without a bit of skepticism, though. Even your boy deserves to be called out on his bullshit.
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DCDave
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« Reply #453 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:41:19 PM »

Saw that.

So what's his thesis, here? This isn't a good time to talk about race?

That it's not a good time to let a conversation about race divide us away from a conversation about policy.


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a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

Oh goody he worked in some suck-ass appeals to solidarity with Israel

Unlike shill to AIPAC, Hilary Clinton.

Am I making any comparisons to HC? No, I'm not. I'm not gonna swallow whole the Obama narrative without a bit of skepticism, though. Even your boy deserves to be called out on his bullshit.

I don't believe that a Clinton supporter has any place criticizing other candidates' positions on Israel, since Clinton essentially gives them carte blanche.
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elpollodiablo
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« Reply #454 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:42:35 PM »

Oh yeah cuz he's been on point policy-wise thus far
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DCDave
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« Reply #455 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:44:30 PM »

Oh yeah cuz he's been on point policy-wise thus far

If you're going to continue along this line, even though the counter has been demonstrated at numerous points, and going to continue saying "Well all I hear is blah blah blah" I invite you to kindly shut the fuck up.
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« Reply #456 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:44:57 PM »

YOU HAVE NO PLACE MILES.

DONT YOU UNDERSTAND.
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elpollodiablo
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« Reply #457 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:47:05 PM »

You can shriek about it all you want, but the fact remains that the general thrust of his campaign has been vague feel-goodery. He articulates specific policy from time to time, but mostly what I hear out of this guy are broad platitudes. This has held true since the last time we had this argument.

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DCDave
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« Reply #458 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:52:56 PM »

Because you watch his victory speeches after he wins a primary, which are "Message speeches" and because the media doesn't cover policy speeches.  In order to find out more about a given candidate's policy you need to either look at their policy positions or their legislative history.  Show me a campaign speech that Clinton has given where she evinces specific policy positions. 

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elpollodiablo
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« Reply #459 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:54:38 PM »

Perhaps if my parents had made better life choices I'd have more leisure time to root out this guy's policy stances rather than passively expecting him to articulate them for me
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DCDave
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« Reply #460 on: Mar 18, 2008, 12:55:39 PM »

Perhaps if my parents had made better life choices I'd have more leisure time to root out this guy's policy stances rather than passively expecting him to articulate them for me

Says the man who spends dozens of hours per week posting about what he's drinking on a message board.
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elpollodiablo
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« Reply #461 on: Mar 18, 2008, 01:00:27 PM »

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Enjoy your kool-aid
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DCDave
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« Reply #462 on: Mar 18, 2008, 01:01:39 PM »

Or educating yourself before you walk into a voting booth.  Either way.
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elpollodiablo
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« Reply #463 on: Mar 18, 2008, 01:02:35 PM »

Nah I prefer to just embrace a candidate whole heartedly without ever questioning their motives
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coldforge
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« Reply #464 on: Mar 18, 2008, 01:07:54 PM »

Well, to be honest, I think Obama's motive is 'I want to be president.' What, is he the puppet of the Black Power Cabal?
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elpollodiablo
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« Reply #465 on: Mar 18, 2008, 01:09:56 PM »

Never mind, yo. I'll just keep clear of this thread and vote Dem in the general! Gobama!
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KJ
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« Reply #466 on: Mar 18, 2008, 01:12:40 PM »

That being said, I pretty much agree with everything I've heard Wright saying in those clips. Sucks that Obama has to throw him under the bus.

Hmm? He said "Rev. Wright is family to me" - a soundbite that's surely going to get played to death to his detriment on Fox- pretty underhand way of throwing Wright under the bus, unless anything short of "That's right! God DAMN America!" counts.
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davy
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« Reply #467 on: Mar 18, 2008, 02:03:41 PM »

i expected him to distance himself from wright's comments while not so much distancing himself from the man. that's what i was listening for. but that i thought what he actually said--"i can no sooner disown reverend wright than disown the african-american community"--was much more provocative. i like that he used the incident to highlight the racial weaknesses on both sides. i think it was a pretty brave speech, all in all.
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davy
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« Reply #468 on: Mar 18, 2008, 03:14:41 PM »

here is the official obama campaign link. the speech in full:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU
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« Reply #469 on: Mar 18, 2008, 03:58:53 PM »


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« Reply #470 on: Mar 18, 2008, 06:06:47 PM »

I don't believe that a Clinton supporter has any place criticizing other candidates' positions on Israel, since Clinton essentially gives them carte blanche.
What about me? I support neither of them and find Obama sneaking in unprompted and general support for Israel in his speeches disingenuous and revealing of the fact that, below the rethoric of change, it's all business as usual politics-wise.

How are you going to disqualify my opinion? Call me a long-haired hippy? A dirty foreigner?
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« Reply #471 on: Mar 18, 2008, 06:09:06 PM »

Aren't both those things technically true though?
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Good Intentions
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« Reply #472 on: Mar 18, 2008, 06:09:44 PM »

Never mind the fact that you unflappingly slip in a tu quoque attack while trying to claim the position of having the best-founded views makes me wish you would go away and not bother us again. Didn't your mother teach you manners?
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« Reply #473 on: Mar 18, 2008, 06:11:10 PM »

Aren't both those things technically true though?
I'm neither a hippy nor dirty. Please don't make that mistake again.
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« Reply #474 on: Mar 18, 2008, 06:16:25 PM »

This thread makes me think that military dictatorships are the way to go.
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