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[andronicus]

I'm ultimately a dyed-in-the-wool mello yello man, myself. 

Supposedly they added some flavors when they changed the name.  I'd be willing to bet though, that the Xtra is to catch those denizens of the trailer park who latched on to the xtreme sports movement in a second-hand way.  They load up the Pibb Xtra in the Jeep and go muddin', scaring away the deer by blasting Linkin Park.

[Thermofusion]

....leaving Dr. Pepper as the only refreshingly unconventional beverage that still caters to my aristocratic, foppishly dandy soda sensibilites. 'Tis a pity.

[Andrew_TSKS]

in the end, there's a major argument in favor of not prejudging fat people to the extent that is done in our modern society. but there's also a major argument in favor of doing one's best to stay as healthy as one possibly can, which seems like the kind of thing that some fat people would find insulting.

This is essentially my view, too.  Also, while I can commiserate with an individual's struggle with obesity and am 100% against prejudicing them, my support ends is at the point they begin to politicize obesity as healthy (which is apparently what they're trying to do via references to dubious scientific/medical papers that contradict basic accepted conclusions such as "obesity increases risk of congestive heart failure and diabetes", etc.).

I'm fucking CERTAIN that there's something to this. I'm certain that the connection is not as direct or as 1-to-1 likely as has long been seen as fact. However, that in no way excuses anyone suddenly deciding that there are no increased health risks to being overweight. That's taking things about 10 times as far as there is any reason to go.

[silentsigh89]

Well I apologize for  continuing the derail, but I feel the need to throw out there that a lot of fat acceptance stuff, especially when it comes to medical issues, shouldn't be boiled down that way. it's not saying that being overweight is not related to health risks like that. It's that LIFESTYLE is what matters. Yes, lifestyle choices can obviously lead to obesity but doctors shouldn't approach these things as numbers alone. You can be fat and be at risk for diabetes, but losing weight quickly with a diet gimmick might not make you any healthier. Being thin does not guarantee healthiness. The idea, from the fat acceptance blogs and people that I am familiar with, at least, is that instead of saying, you know, you should have a BMI of x, they should be saying "you should be more active and eat healthier foods." It's just the wrong message to send. As a fat woman who has been to doctors that talked to me about my weight, it really DOES make a big difference. It's not about getting down the ideal weight, it's about making healthy choices day by day. There is a big difference between discussing healthy life choices and telling them to shed fifty pounds.

[Babar]

....leaving Dr. Pepper as the only refreshingly unconventional beverage that still caters to my aristocratic, foppishly dandy soda sensibilites. 'Tis a pity.

i love dr. pepper.

[Andrew_TSKS]

beth--that makes a ton of sense and i think you stated it very well.

[G.C.R]

God, do I ever wish that I knew that when i was your age Beth. I think thats stuff I should have been able to put into practice but you get conditioned to such an all or nothing way of looking at food, and there's so much guilt in it, that you forget what those small changes actually involve. I feel like I'm only starting to learn to make them properly. And it makes me really angry that years of that kind of influence and thinking has meant that I'm only just able to.

Though it does sound like the supposedly anti fat stuff in Wall E would bother me less than the resolutely conservative ideal 1950s nuclear family in the Incredibles. I'm probably over reacting, but I remember that irking me, which is almost the only thing I remember of that film.

[G.C.R]

And I rewatched Eraserhead this weekend! and it was as good as it was when I saw it last ten years ago. And I saw the seventh seal, and loved Max von Sydow and the Bill and Ted grim reaper, but otherwise not a patch on any other Bergman I've seen.

[Thermofusion]

Beth -- thanks for helping me understand FA a little better ... none of what you mentioned sounds particularly malevolent to me.  Still, though -- the Wall-E outrage seems to be a bit of a reach and so does the anti-Wii Fit campaign.

Relevant to thread: continuing my Pete Walker series with The Flesh And Blood Show.  Totally unrelated to Pete Walker, I watched Class of 1984 for the third time in a month earlier and good lord that movie kicks more and more ass each time I see it.  Every performance amazing, the script's got snap, the tension's there, the deaths at the end inspired and Patsy (the sexually deranged orange-haired gang chick) is basically my ideal girlfriend.   

[elpollodiablo]

Wall-E was so fucking adorable, seriously. Just so goddamn likable.

Is that really how you spell like-able Firefox what the fuck

[Little Sixes Little Nines]

i think both likable and likeable are correct.

I know i'm WAY slow off the mark here, but Pan's Labyrinth was fucking fantastic.

[alistarr*]

southland tales was awesome for me, i don't care how good it actually is.

[Maaik]

oh really? what's that about?

Wall-E: Everyone Who Loves 'Wall-E', Step Forward! Not So Fast, Republicans, Fat People

and

Pixar joins in on fat-bashing

From the latter:

But WALL-E specifically singles out and targets obese people as the primary cause of mankind’s demise, further perpetuating the stereotype of the gluttonous, slothful fat person. Furthermore, the film suggests that, in their exaggerated laziness, obese people disregard not only personal health, but also that of the planets, and are held up as the cause for the destruction of the environmental landscape.

This is, despite mountains of evidence that show, as a group, fat people do not eat more than thin people, nor are they less active and that the so-called “obesity epidemic” has been greatly exaggerated by self-serving corporate interests.

edit: that last paragraph in the above quote gives me the lolz

Erm, spoilers below.  Careful now.

I know I'm late to this party, but this made me flail my arms in frustration.  I believe that whoever reached this line of reasoning while watching Wall*E is predisposed to being offended.  Watching the movie, what I took from it is that after 700 years of being coddled by a corporate entity (basically Walmart/Sam's Club) humanity had collectively become the blob-like lot seen in the film.  It was the corporation's lack of regard for the environment which gave cause for everyone leaving Earth, and ultimately it was the human decision to buck the corporate directive and return to the planet which led to salvation.  I thought the gag about bone loss was witty--Arthur C. Clarke wrote about the fragility of humans born and raised in space.  I believe these FA critics are either misreading or intentionally misinterpreting a story about hundreds of generations of humans raised by Walmart robots in order to bring their political grievances to the fore.

That having been said, I don't want to come across as attacking FAers; I haven't really been aware of the movement until just now, but I suppose my amateur opinion would be pretty closely aligned with Beth's.

Oh yeah, and Dr. Pepper's the shit.

[Greg Nog]

after 700 years of being coddled by a corporate entity (basically Walmart/Sam's Club)

welcome to Costco, I love you


Hey, we need a new movie thread!  I'm blanking on a title, though; someone take the reins, here.

[silentsigh89]

Oh, yeah, they were way off base attacking WALL-E. To me, the best evidence of the fact that it was attacking the corporation and not the people was when the two became unplugged. They were still fatties, but they were suddenly, you know, curious and active and loving. The problem wasn't that they were fat, but that they were plugged in!

And, yes, new thread!

[andronicus]

welcome to Costco, I love you

I just watched that yesterday!  Refreshingly mediocre!

[Little Sixes Little Nines]

i don't get it won't the robots jusr\t kill all the fat people?

I just saw MR BROOKS. What the fuck was that peice of craP?

[Andrew_TSKS]

new movie thread is here.

just sayin.