kill yr. television

[Mike24]

can you hook me up?  the torrents i'm using are slow as hell.

[girl]

pm me an email address. 

[Ignatius]

bb:ff. just a reminder. frakes.

[YojimboMonkey]

yo davy I use AVG, I use the free version at home and on my mom's computer and on my sister's computer, and I use the Network Edition at work.  I like it and it does a fine job, it's not a big old resource hog like Norton/Symantec, you need to keep it updated but it does all that shit automatically and warns you when there's a problem.  It also keeps a lot of spyware & rootkits and shit like that away that aren't always covered by AV programs.

[Mike24]

nice.  thanks chris!

[Babar]

there's also this site called TV links

Just not a big fan of watching TV on my laptop, basically.

there's ALSO a thing called an s-video cable so that you can hook your lappie with the television and watch it on that!

[davy]

yo davy I use AVG, I use the free version at home and on my mom's computer and on my sister's computer, and I use the Network Edition at work.  I like it and it does a fine job, it's not a big old resource hog like Norton/Symantec, you need to keep it updated but it does all that shit automatically and warns you when there's a problem.  It also keeps a lot of spyware & rootkits and shit like that away that aren't always covered by AV programs.

I see free "30-day trial" versions for download, but then when you upgrade, it's $55. I'm not opposed to spending that money if it'll do its job, but is this a subscription thing like Norton where I have to pay that same amount every year, or what?

[Babar]

just download it from a torrent site for free! oh wait, that's why you want it in the first place

[YojimboMonkey]

AVG Free Edition

[davy]

Hey thanks, I'll compare this to my wife's software tomorrow.

[Little Sixes Little Nines]

...so there's this thing called easynews which can download entire seasons of tv shows, movies, full albums/discographies (what we can talk about piracy for shows but not music?) in under an hour every time and despite it being subscription the massive amount of GB's per month mean you can totally pitch in with like ten other people as I am doing so it costs no more per month than a coffee... ?

[Andrew_TSKS]

Oh, if you push it enough John will get annoyed with you for talking about torrenting tv shows too.

That said, you should never be PAYING to download ANYTHING. If you're gonna pay for downloads, pay itunes.

[Ignatius]

The people who work on tv shows get paid no matter what, though... Just not what they're owed. You're still an ignorant prick for downloading torrents of tv shows, but I bet musicians get hurt more... TV people get paid when the shows are ordered, don't they?

edit: ok ignorant prick is really mean. shortsighted scalawag. sorry.

[Little Sixes Little Nines]

yeah, you're right, if i had money i would be against piracy, i buy albums when i can etc. no more piracy debating evar

[Andrew_TSKS]

The people who work on tv shows get paid no matter what, though... Just not what they're owed. You're still an ignorant prick for downloading torrents of tv shows, but I bet musicians get hurt more... TV people get paid when the shows are ordered, don't they?

Yes, you're right, since TV shows totally cost money to watch.

Wait, except they don't cost anything to watch (unless they come on premium networks). They're paid for by advertising. So really, what you're saying here makes no sense.

[Ignatius]

I was a little drunk. But royalties from syndication and DVD sales must figure in somewhere to who gets paid what, right? So you're cutting someone out. Sometimes DVD sales bring canceled shows back for new seasons as well, y'know.

[dieblucasdie]

Home recording/Tivo also cut into DVD sales.  Are you a dick for using Tivo?

Also TV writers and production crews notoriously get screwed on DVD sales.

Unless you're arguing that I should feel sorry for Matthew Fox and JJ Abrams when I download torrents of Lost episodes or something.

Spoiler:  I ain't

[Ignatius]

That's fine. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater and all. Meanwhile, you've been renegotiating contracts for those writers and crews, I assume. Do they get any cut at all from DVD sales as things stand?

[dieblucasdie]

I really don't get how you could have a problem with downloading ad-supported shows.  Unless you think DVRs are wrong (the industry sure doesn't!) or that advertisers somehow get their money's worth when their ads are watched at 99x.

Writers do get paid, but it's a nominal fee that's the same whether a DVD box set sells one copy or 10 million copies.  I do not know the details of crew contracts but I know they're not good, and if anything, I'd expect they get it worse.

[Ignatius]

For the record I have no stake in this and I'm more interested in finding out who benefits and who loses when it comes to downloading tv shows... I'll not be such a sanctimonious little fuck from here on out... Sorry. So DVD sales only benefit the studio or production company and what-have-you? The guys who own the rights?

[dieblucasdie]

Pretty much.  That's a big reason why DVD box set sales have been such a boon to the major nets, and why the writers' guild was all, "Fool me once.." about internet streaming revenues last year.  Also the individual producers/showrunners make bank.  And a handful of your bigger-name actors who either have good contracts or also co-produce their shows.  Not sure about directors.  They might fare better than writers.

[Ignatius]

I take back what I said, then. But that thing with DVD sales bringing back a canceled series, that can happen!

[dieblucasdie]

Yes, to Family Guy.  Thanks so much, DVD sales. 

[Ignatius]

Shhh... They also made a Joss Whedon spacemovie on similar reasoning, right? And don't forget Futurama, or Home Movies, worthy shows resurrected by ratings in syndication...

[dieblucasdie]

Well, syndication is a whole 'nother beast, in terms of $$$.  And I'd argue that downloading's effect on syndication money is negligible. 

And in the case of Firefly and of Home Movies:  I mean, if anything downloading helped expand those shows' audiences.  No way Serenity happens in the pre-internet industry.