BEHAVE YOURSELVES: Breitbart Memorial LOLconservatives Thread

[dieblucasdie]

I mean, I think part of the misunderstanding going on here, Babar, is that you're coming from an internet-ey place of "I pick the politician I support, you pick the politician you support, and we argue about which one is Hitler," whereas most of us are in "They're all terrible, let's take what we can get when we can get it, until the revolution comes and we can line up all the motherfuckers" mode.

[jebreject]

"They're all terrible, let's take what we can get when we can get it, until the revolution comes and we can line up all the motherfuckers"

I feel all flush

[Little Sixes Little Nines]

hey guys, if we could stop the whole quoting-people-from-years-ago-as-rebuttal-to-their-posts thing, that'd be great.


(cue someone quoting me from years ago, quoting someone from years before)

[dieblucasdie]

  ^Lo_L

^These are _cool

[elpollodiablo]

"I've Got His Back" is a pretty impressive campaign slogan in that it manages to top some of the stupidity of the 2008 slogans

[Babar]

I mean, I think part of the misunderstanding going on here, Babar, is that you're coming from an internet-ey place of "I pick the politician I support, you pick the politician you support, and we argue about which one is Hitler," whereas most of us are in "They're all terrible, let's take what we can get when we can get it, until the revolution comes and we can line up all the motherfuckers" mode.

There are like 15 political parties, I'm not gonna do the research for you. The revolution you're talking about is abandoning the two-party system, which it seems no one here is willing to do. I guess I just have different mindset than you because I would never vote for someone I think is terrible. Now, that is throwing your vote away more than anything else. In a democracy you only get to have your voice heard once every few years, so make it count each time.

[davy]

Guh.

[Greg Nog]

abandoning the two-party system, which it seems no one here is willing to do.

Seriously!  We keep saying "We love Obama and are going to vote for Obama" again and again!  Why do we keep saying that?  It's remarkable how you're the only one who seems to be reacting to these words we are typing here, these literal words we keep on saying, these things we are actually putting on the screen that no one else is just making up out of whole cloth

[dieblucasdie]

You recognize that Ron Paul is a member of the Republican Party, right?

[jebreject]

The revolution you're talking about is abandoning the two-party system

No, as a matter of fact, it's very much not.

Now, that is throwing your vote away more than anything else.

I agree with this in principle, though I guess I'd actually go further and say that voting for anyone, no matter whether you agree with them or not, is a waste of time. But I don't think that's a debate that anyone here is interested in having. I know I certainly have no fond memories of the thread-spanning debates about anarchism vs. represantational democracy, etc.

I guess I'm with everyone else to the extent that if you're going to play ball, you don't really have any choice but to play by their rules. Voting for someone who has no chance of winning is in a very real way throwing your vote away. If you have a problem with the two-party system, which I'm going to wager most of us do, the way to address that actually doesn't begin at the voting booth, because at this point in time it's simply not realistic for a third party candidate to have any shot whatsoever at the presidency. It's a systemic problem, and an incredibly complex one, and needs to be addressed as such. There are entire systems in place that need to be dismantled before you can truly do that. And, whether you believe it or not, it is entirely possible to do that kind of the work--the actual, important work--and still vote for someone who you despise but is a little less nasty than the other guy, or has the ability to affect actual lasting change--or prevent change for the worse--through things like Supreme Court nominations. I feel like your entire argument is predicated on the idea that voting is the whole of political action that can be taken. It's not. It's not even the most important, in my opinion.

[dieblucasdie]

I mean, Ron Paul is a Republican. As a subcommittee chair, he even raises money for other Republicans. He disagrees fundamentally on a whole host of issues with almost everyone in his party, but he does not run as a third party candidate.

His goal (and one he inches a little closer to each cycle, honestly), is to speak his views loudly enough and often enough that he can move other members of his party around to his way of thinking, and elect new members of his party more in line with his way of thinking. But in the meantime, he gives both symbolic and material support, to a far greater degree than anyone here, to those murderous imperialists you hate so much.

[Antero]

Ron Paul wouldn't even take shots at Romney during the primary.

[elpollodiablo]

Babar I will join you in saying lots of nice things about Ron Paul as soon as he announces his third party spoiler candidacy

[Greg Nog]

A four-way election between Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, and Ralph Nader would be fun as hell to watch, actually.

[Thermofusion]

Or just a four-way

[Babar]

You recognize that Ron Paul is a member of the Republican Party, right?

Yeah, like Dennis Kucinich is a member of the Democratic party. But they have many views that are radically different than those of their party so I think of them as being outside the two-party system even though they are working within it.

So, Greg... anyone in particular that you support or are you just gonna keep making funnies?

[dieblucasdie]

You recognize that Ron Paul is a member of the Republican Party, right?

so I think of them as being outside the two-party system even though they are working within it.

Then why are they America's Greatest Heroes for doing their best to work within a flawed system, but we're sellouts and hypocrites in need of constant chastisement for doing our best to work within a flawed system?

[Babar]

You recognize that Ron Paul is a member of the Republican Party, right?

so I think of them as being outside the two-party system even though they are working within it.

Then why are they America's Greatest Heroes for doing their best to work within a flawed system, but we're sellouts and hypocrites in need of constant chastisement for doing our best to work within a flawed system?

I never used those words. I'm just saying vote for what you believe in. If you sincerely like Obama's or Romney's economic policies and their foreign policy etc. etc. you should vote for them. If you don't, don't vote for them. It's just that it seems to me very few people here actually do like their policies.

[Greg Nog]

So, Greg... anyone in particular that you support or are you just gonna keep making funnies?

It remains to be seen who I'll be voting for! I'm as excited about the looming unknown as you are!

[jebreject]

Hey Babar: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/91689761/

[jebreject]

Please watch

[Anne the Man]

You recognize that Ron Paul is a member of the Republican Party, right?

so I think of them as being outside the two-party system even though they are working within it.

Then why are they America's Greatest Heroes for doing their best to work within a flawed system, but we're sellouts and hypocrites in need of constant chastisement for doing our best to work within a flawed system?

I never used those words.

More or less you did, pal:

The revolution you're talking about is abandoning the two-party system, which it seems no one here is willing to do.

Besides this, do you really think that anyone agrees entirely with any candidate's policies? When you vote you are essentially delegating someone else to do a job for you, and often end up leaving a lot of the rest up to them. I am lucky enough to live in a country with relatively proportional representation so I can vote for the Greens without it being an entire waste, but I don't agree with everything they do. If I were dedicating every second of my time to overthrowing the system in other ways, maybe I could then not vote in good conscience, but it doesn't work that way. Like jeb said, I think you assume that voting is the only way we participate in trying to change things. We're working on other stuff--and would probably prefer to dedicate more time to that--but the voting is a vague safeguard. It's like when you have a cold, you go to bed, put on warm clothes have lemon honey drinks, keep the windows and door shut, take some vitamins and Vicks etc. Voting is like the part where you lock the door so your annoying cousin doesn't come in to put icicles in your pyjama pants.

[Ignatius]

You got some weird cousins, Man.

[FreddyKnuckles]

Well made. I'm sure they wanted a young guy, but this fellow seems a touch too weasley and snide.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

[Anne the Man]

You got some weird cousins, Man.

Don't even get me started, icicles in the pants are literally just the tip of the iceberg with those guys. But my elders told me not to speak about the Russell clan in public so I can't explain much further. Sorry, Grace.