in a furious anger i have not known before in my life...

[william]

oh and so does any "dada" made after WWII

Even the Sex Pistols?

i'd call them more post-situationist. ever read "lipstick traces" or even "england's dreaming"?

andrew, please! are you serious? did you really just say that? i'm sure lastplanetojakarta wasn't a grad school when i signed up. do i have coursework due? i think i'm gonna have to do my thesis on merleau-ponty and immanence of the chode...

[Maaik]

I bought Lipstick Traces before the new year and I'm still slowly reading it.  School's kinda put an end to leisurely reading time.  But goddamn if that isn't a dense book.  Interesting though.

[Keith from TTIKTDA]

i'm sure lastplanetojakarta wasn't a grad school when i signed up. do i have coursework due? i think i'm gonna have to do my thesis on merleau-ponty and immanence of the chode...

1) you were fooling yourself.

and

2) if it's a grad school, the admissions standards must be pretty lax as I'm not a graduate.

[elpollodiablo]

Apparently his high school has majors. I wonder if his manservant uses Mylar-coated tongs when he turns the pages of his comic books for him, or just regulars.

Dun't yer little location thingy say Westchester?

[coldforge]

It sure does! And contrary to what your Midwestern ass probably thinks, not everyone in Westchester is some WASPy blueblood with three cars and two houses! So suck a lemon!

[Andrew_TSKS]

if it's a grad school, the admissions standards must be pretty lax as I'm not a graduate.

neither am i, and it appears i'm TEACHING. haha.

[jordanmichael]

my response to this whole ordeal. it is a bad scan. sorry.

[coldforge]

You're not going to bitch when you get a lousy grade for that, right?

[jordanmichael]

no. i am saving that for when i know she is about to kick my out. but personally, out of context, i really like it anyway.

[DCDave]

Does she look like this?

Hey look it's my elementary school librarian's daughter.

No lies.

[Andrew_TSKS]

no. i am saving that for when i know she is about to kick my out. but personally, out of context, i really like it anyway.

agreed, dude. that shit is AWESOME and should be turned in in an art class at some point in the future.

[Antero]

no. i am saving that for when i know she is about to kick my out. but personally, out of context, i really like it anyway.

agreed, dude. that shit is AWESOME and should be turned in in an art class at some point in the future.

I agree.

[diesel_powered]

Just to be contrary to everyone here...

Do yourself a favor, keep your battles with the teachers out of your coursework. I spent college battling with my professors though my coursework and ended up with a portfolio that was fucking bullshit.

And also, unfortunately, you have to learn the rules before you can break them.

Which reminds me, I really, really need to work on my drawing skills.

And your teacher's a dumbass. Clam up and go through the motions to get the grade and then do the complete opposite of what she tells you.

[jordanmichael]

thanks everyone, even though if i can't tell if it is sarcasm or not.

and diesel has a good point about keeping my battles out of my work, but i am going to have to disagree. my best work is done to piss people off. let's face it, i am a pain in the ass kid and the thing i do best is push people's buttons.

my first actual project for that class is going to be a 3-d tribute to my balding scald made out of a cardboard box and wire hangers.

[diesel_powered]

and diesel has a good point about keeping my battles out of my work, but i am going to have to disagree. my best work is done to piss people off. let's face it, i am a pain in the ass kid and the thing i do best is push people's buttons.

Ah yes, but you'll never get respect as a professional that way...

[Good Intentions]

my response to this whole ordeal. it is a bad scan. sorry.

Fucking righteous, dude.

There's a great little book (and I mean little, like 70 pages, an elaboration of an excellent BBC documentary) edited by John Berger called Ways of Seeing. That is your heavy artillary - read it and piss over those who worship the tradition for their own sake.

[Good Intentions]

and diesel has a good point about keeping my battles out of my work, but i am going to have to disagree. my best work is done to piss people off. let's face it, i am a pain in the ass kid and the thing i do best is push people's buttons.

The thing is, jordan, and I've said it before and I'll say it again, is that you need a solid background in the purely technical aspects of your art. That is the pound of flesh you pay for entry into the field.

The field needs this clear seperation between those proficient in art technique and those not - it is not only a measure of how fit you are to participate in the making of art, but also of your dedication to the field.

It is a common fallacy that merely because you are entitled to hold an opinion, that opinion has any value. Because a work makes you feel a certain way means nothing. Art is not a democracy, and even the opinions of influential people (including the artist) is of little importance. What's the best way to know a good painting? Look at a million paintings. The person who has slogged through technical training and has achieved a familiarity with the history of the art has infinitely more valuable views on art than the untrained, if passionate, layman.

Your teacher is a dick for making it so unpleasant for you, but that's his problem, and not a failing of the art.

[Andrew_TSKS]

shit man, i don't know if i agree with that AT ALL. i mean, everyone's fit to create art. i agree with needing dedication, and that practicing technique is a good way to prove it, but at the end of the day if something inspires a reaction in people, and some people dig it, then all that other stuff is meaningless.

[TheVole]

Or Trio?

I hereby award you two points for the above quoted witticism.

[SPACERACE]

The field needs this clear seperation between those proficient in art technique and those not - it is not only a measure of how fit you are to participate in the making of art, but also of your dedication to the field.

bullshit.

It is a common fallacy that merely because you are entitled to hold an opinion, that opinion has any value. Because a work makes you feel a certain way means nothing. Art is not a democracy, and even the opinions of influential people (including the artist) is of little importance. What's the best way to know a good painting? Look at a million paintings. The person who has slogged through technical training and has achieved a familiarity with the history of the art has infinitely more valuable views on art than the untrained, if passionate, layman.

ultimate bullshit.

[another max]

ultimate bullshit.

bullshit.

[Wally]

ultimate bullshit.

bullshit.

Ah the ever decreasing standards of bullshit. One day it might not be bullshit at all.

[jordanmichael]

and diesel has a good point about keeping my battles out of my work, but i am going to have to disagree. my best work is done to piss people off. let's face it, i am a pain in the ass kid and the thing i do best is push people's buttons.

The thing is, jordan, and I've said it before and I'll say it again, is that you need a solid background in the purely technical aspects of your art. That is the pound of flesh you pay for entry into the field.

The field needs this clear seperation between those proficient in art technique and those not - it is not only a measure of how fit you are to participate in the making of art, but also of your dedication to the field.

It is a common fallacy that merely because you are entitled to hold an opinion, that opinion has any value. Because a work makes you feel a certain way means nothing. Art is not a democracy, and even the opinions of influential people (including the artist) is of little importance. What's the best way to know a good painting? Look at a million paintings. The person who has slogged through technical training and has achieved a familiarity with the history of the art has infinitely more valuable views on art than the untrained, if passionate, layman.

Your teacher is a dick for making it so unpleasant for you, but that's his problem, and not a failing of the art.

i don't paint pictures. i don't draw pictures. i don't sculpt things. i have no idea what is it you'd call what i'd do. i have no idea how it is you can teach any technique behind what i do. i feel something. i take something. i put shit together. i turn something i feel into something you can touch. i am really not seeing how you can put any sort of technique behind it. i really don't. i don't even really use art supplies ever. no paints. no clay. no pens or pencils. it is just me trying my hardest to vent how i feel so i can share it with the people i care about. i don't want praise or respect, i just want to let people know how i feel with whatever is around me. that is basically what i do. i feel stuff, and i can't see how somebody can tell me how to feel. and for this bitch of a teacher to look me in the eye and tell me art isn't about feeling, it is about doing? i'm sorry but no, fuck that.

[jordanmichael]

by the way, good intentions, i know you had good intentions and were trying to help, and thank you for that, but i really am just having trouble understanding all of this.

[TheVole]

i don't paint pictures. i don't draw pictures. i don't sculpt things. i have no idea what is it you'd call what i'd do.

my first actual project for that class is going to be a 3-d tribute to my balding scald made out of a cardboard box and wire hangers.

Sounds like sculpture to me, although you're being really vauge about what it is you do.  Sounds like a bunch of artistic masturbation, really.
And whatever it is you do has probably been done once or twice before.  You're probably not blazing any trails in contemporary art.

(Also, scribbling on a van gogh is just plain lazy.)