Chicago Manual of Style questions

[elpollodiablo]

So if a publisher says this

We use the University of Chicago Manual of Style, 16th edition, in copyediting all manuscripts. Authors/editors should consult the sections of the manual dealing with notes, bibliographies, and indexes. We require the use of endnotes.

what would you take that to mean? That I should use CMS NB, with in-text citations as footnotes and my actual NOTES as endnotes, or CMS NB with citations as endnotes and my actual notes as... more endnotes?

I never really liked MLA, but man--this is dumb!

[elpollodiablo]

I mean christ jesus why must I create essentially two separate bibliographies with slight variations in formatting?

[Good Intentions]

If I understand you right, and I'm not sure that I do:
The CMS makes you choose between one of two citation styles, A for footnotes/endnotes, and B for author-date. If you use the endnote option, then your citations will be endnotes, your notes more endnotes, and an actual bibliography at the back of it all. If you use author-date, you'll have those parentheses throughout your paper, your notes as endnotes, and a bibliography at the back. Style A makes a lot of sense with footnotes, but less so with endnotes, as you say (though having the citation both in-text and in the bibliography has been useful to me on millions of occassions).

Right now I'm copy-editing a book in Chicago 16B, so I've got all of this stuff at the front of my mind (so, I estimate about a .5 Biggins level expertise).

[elpollodiablo]

Awesome, GI, thanks--I'm using endnotes across the board. Should I use a different kind of superscript for the endnotes than I do for the citations? And if so, is there a preferred alternate/secondary superscript?

[Good Intentions]

No, separate endnotes for citations is unnecessary.

[elpollodiablo]

...not sure I understand. I'm not using footnotes, so don't there necessarily have to be separate endnotes for citations?

[elpollodiablo]

I guess that's part of what's unclear to me in the publisher's requirements. Do you think I'm mistaken in taking "we require the use of endnotes" to mean they want citations as endnotes? Is the default assumption for working with CMS citational footnotes and then additional endnotes?

[Good Intentions]

The publisher's requirement means almost certainly that where you have notes, they should be endnotes. If you usually use author-date, use author-date, but have any notes as endnotes. That's what the book I'm copy-editing is like.

Normally, there's only one style of notes, and in the 16A citation style, in-text citations are done in those notes. So, the endnotes might look like:

1. This work was supported by a grant from the Talk Like a Dick School.
2. Good Intentions, "Chicago Manual of Style questions", Last Plane to Jakarta 4, no.1 (2012): 3,5.
3. Cf. Your mom, pers. coms.
4. This reminds me of a digression in an especially long footnote... yada yada yada ...

[elpollodiablo]

But... what if I'm doing NB and not author-date? Then, as you said upthread, would it go: citational endnotes, endnotes, bibliography? And if that's the case, don't I need a separate superscript for the endnotes that's different from the superscript used for the citational endnotes?

Sorry--this is almost impossible to google, as you might imagine. And all of the CMS guides I've read have different/conflicting advice, where they have advice in this regard at all.

[Good Intentions]

What I did there was the note style (I take it with NB you mean notes & bibliography? Chicago A?). You don't have separate citational endnotes. The citations go straight into the usual endnotes. The author date style would go:

Yada bladda bla (Smith 2010), but in the contrary, Scrivener (2007, 23) holds that daya dabla alb. This issue is much discussed in the literature (Black 2008; White 2009; Fencesitter 2009, 2010).[1]

1) Of course, if they read my book (Slamdunk 2011), they'd have known the answer all along.

[Good Intentions]

I get all my answers straight from the source, the actual CMS online. Most libraries should grant you access to it: http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/home.html

[elpollodiablo]

Oh shit! Right that makes complete sense. Thanks man! Sorry, I'm a little whacked on cold medicine

[Greg Nog]

Yada bladda bla (Smith 2010)

One of your most interesting monographs, coldforge

[coldforge]

The publishers made a god-damned hash of the transliteration from the Yiddish.

[RoyBiggins]

I like the OP being fussy about one thing, but pluralizing index "indexes."  I know some people do that, but...FFS, if you're gonna be prescriptive....