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Doctor Bob
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« on: Sep 08, 2010, 05:59:49 AM »

I'm trying to trace the origin of a childhood memory and I'm getting pretty frustrated, so I thought I'd turn to you good people for some assistance.

As kids - late '70s, early '80s? - Johnp and I had a Disney book that had stories in it - I'm inclined to think they were fables, possibly Aesop's, but I'm not sure - and it contained a story about a competition where people had to impersonate pigs.  One man did an impersonation in front of a crowd, and they cheered because it was so good.  Another man, who I think was Goofy in the Disney version, brought an actual pig in under his coat and tugged its tail so it squealed, but the crowd wasn't very impressed, saying that the sound wasn't very convincing.  Then he revealed that the noise had come from a real pig.  (The end?)

I seem to remember that the story was accompanied by a picture of Goofy on stage with a pig peeking out from the flap of his coat.

Did anyone have this Disney book?  I suspect it might have been more widespread in the US than outside it.
Does the story ring any bells with anyone?  Not just the Disney story, but the general outline?  I might have the details wrong, but I think the general gist of it is correct.

I've searched a fair bit online so far, but to no avail, and I'm starting to feel that my mind is playing tricks on me.

Help!
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clare
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 08, 2010, 06:19:35 AM »

Sounding vaguely familiar...let me think about it...
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Doctor Bob
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 08, 2010, 06:55:53 AM »

Thanks!

I e-mailed Johnp earlier with the question, but he said he had no recollection at all.

After posting, it occurred to me that the book might have belonged to my sister, so the date could be mid-'80s or so, which would put it more squarely in the general LPtJ age bracket.  We'll see what morning brings in Amerikay...
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alex
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 08, 2010, 08:04:42 AM »

I have no idea, but that sounds like an excellent story.
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Doctor Bob
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 08, 2010, 09:53:47 AM »

Nooo!  I thought you might be my saviour!

For context: I'm having a difference of opinion on another messageboard re poor cycling infrastructure, particularly whether bad cycle tracks are the result of well-intentioned designers acting in ignorance, or if they are the result of a deliberate, malicious mindset.  I take the more benign former interpretation, but some cycle campaigners are suggesting the latter.  (At root is the fact that they have a different fundamental position regarding the necessity for infrastructure in the first place, being advocates of what's generally called 'vehicular cycling'.  I don't see VC as having the ability to deliver meaningful growth in cycle mode share, and - in common with most experienced cycle planners and designers from Denmark, The Netherlands, Germany, etc. - see good infrastructure as the only show in town if our urban areas aren't to drown in their own vehicular excrement.  But I'm getting off the point...)

The moral of the story/fable, as I took it as a kid - or maybe one of the morals - is that the truth is often more mundane than many would wish it to be.
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milesofsparks
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 08, 2010, 09:57:15 AM »

http://www.aesops-fables.org.uk/aesop-fable-the-buffoon-and-the-countryman.htm
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Doctor Bob
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 08, 2010, 11:10:32 AM »

You little genius!  Thankyouthankyouthankyou.  This has been bugging me for years.

If I had arms 3000 miles long I would give you the hug of the century.  I guess this'll have to do instead:  Much Love
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coldforge
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 08, 2010, 11:13:55 AM »

That's not a very good fable, though. I mean, at the end the countryman is saying, 'You dumb bastards, I CHEATED! Don't you feel stupid now for booing me!'
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Greg Nog
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 08, 2010, 12:51:16 PM »

"I WAS TORTURING AN ANIMAL FOR YOU INGRATES"
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 08, 2010, 06:39:55 PM »

I thought this thread was gonna be something totally different
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Bernard
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 08, 2010, 09:36:40 PM »

I thought this thread was gonna be something totally different

Same here.
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Anne the Man
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 08, 2010, 11:51:28 PM »

Quote from: Moral
Men often applaud an imitation and hiss the real thing

That happened to me once

re: boobs
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Antero
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 09, 2010, 03:42:41 AM »

I thought this thread was gonna be something totally different
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alex
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 09, 2010, 04:36:43 AM »


I'm disappointed with this, because nowhere do the people actually say that it doesn't sound like a real pig; they just hate the sound so much that they hissed to make it stop. Perhaps it is because they think it doesn't sound enough like a pig; or perhaps it is precisely because it sounds too much like a pig, and one that is suffering at that, and they can't stand the sounds of that. So, really, if the story is told like that, the purported moral doesn't actually come from the fable itself.

That said, I have definitely heard of auditory perception research that basically supports the interpretation of "applaud the imitation and hiss the real thing": There are certain sounds that people are more likely to recognise if they are played a synthesised sound than if they are given a recording of the actual source. Gunshots was one example, I am quite sure; most people's main exposure (fortunately) is through sound effects in movies and on TV, to an extent where an actual gunshot might be found as sounding not enough like the real thing.
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