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Greg Nog
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« Reply #175 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:43:08 PM »

One week of free healthcare does indeed sound better to me than shinier bread and circuses.
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dieblucasdie
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« Reply #176 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:44:34 PM »

For God's sake; it's not zero-sum, people.  If the political will were there, you could easily have both.
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Greg Nog
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« Reply #177 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:45:49 PM »

Why are we even doing this switch in the first place, though?
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« Reply #178 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:46:31 PM »

One week of free healthcare does indeed sound better to me than shinier bread and circuses.

seriously.
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« Reply #179 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:48:17 PM »

You guys are seriously being self-righteous bitchez.  Do you engage in any pop culture entertainment?  Opium of the masses!  You should be spend that time out in the streetz!
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« Reply #180 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:49:09 PM »

Uh oh, blucas is getting mad now!
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« Reply #181 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:49:23 PM »

i don't expect nor desire for the government to pay for my television-watching.
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« Reply #182 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:50:24 PM »

Quote from: Greg Nog
Uh oh, blucas is getting mad now!

You can tell because he's ending words with z.
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dieblucasdie
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« Reply #183 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:50:37 PM »

So because you can afford it, you should get access to entertainment and other people shouldn't?  I though you were playing the class warrior, here.
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« Reply #184 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:51:49 PM »

that's not the point. i've explained my point. you don't like it, but it stands.
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« Reply #185 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:53:12 PM »

Also, Nog the switch from analog to digital isn't about having better picture, it's about freeing up analog bandwitdh.  This is going to be an issue in the future for metropolitan emergency services.  And in the short-term, the government will actually make most-if-not-all of that $3 billion back by auctioning off some bandwidth.  
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« Reply #186 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:54:04 PM »

The bandwidth is worth way, way, way more than $3B.  Also, one week of 60% fulfilled payments for Medicare is incredibly different than one week of free healthcare. 
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Greg Nog
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« Reply #187 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:54:40 PM »

Why do we need more analog bandwidth freed up?
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« Reply #188 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:56:28 PM »

Besides, what with all the corporate welfare and recent antitrust decisions, the gov't ALREADY subsidizes these sources of entertainment-- on behalf of the very people who can already afford it.

like 5 x-posts--sorry--
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« Reply #189 on: Nov 08, 2007, 04:57:45 PM »

Because there are certain bands of the EM spectrum that are better for communicating packets of information over distance than others.  Currently, a large portion of that band is on loan to analog television broadcasters, and could be used for other communication purposes, such as emergency services, digital transmission A La RIM, etc., etc. The analog broadcasters have never had to pay anything near market value for the rights and would likely refuse to.  The government is taking back the license for that portion of the EM spectrum, but still providing access to the lost signal by giving digital converters to those who don't have cable.
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Greg Nog
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« Reply #190 on: Nov 08, 2007, 05:01:39 PM »

I see!

This all seems reasonable, then.
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« Reply #191 on: Nov 08, 2007, 05:02:59 PM »

Wait so hold on --  are the digital signals still coming over the air?  Will everyone have to be physically?  If they are coming over the air, is it just over a different wavelength or something?
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dieblucasdie
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« Reply #192 on: Nov 08, 2007, 05:05:25 PM »

Yes, it's still coming over the air.  The converters in question are  $80 little boxes you attach to your tv to convert the signal from your antenna.  If you qualify, you can get a $40 voucher/coupon.  That's what the $3 billion are being spent on.

Or you can buy a new TV with the technology built in.  Almost any TV bought starting this year already has it.

If you have cable of any sort, it's moot.
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« Reply #193 on: Nov 08, 2007, 05:10:50 PM »

Essentially, Greg, the digital signal can be compressed so that it takes less bandwidth and then unravelled by the converter.

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« Reply #194 on: Nov 08, 2007, 05:12:55 PM »

That's crazy!

Modern Science!
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« Reply #195 on: Nov 08, 2007, 08:13:47 PM »

Wait so hold on --  are the digital signals still coming over the air?  Will everyone have to be physically?  If they are coming over the air, is it just over a different wavelength or something?
Digital signals can be sent over far, far narrower bands than analogue signals: the reason people started using digital signals in the first place is because it is very eay to read them. Even after EMI and atmospheric interference zeroes still look far more like zeroes than they do ones (especially if your scale is from 0 to 1). The technology has recently reached the point where digital signals are so good that they can take over from analogue ones, so there's basically no reason to stick to the analogue ones.

'Compressed' is the wrong word, if the signal is a digital one rather than an analogue (less like a typical radiowave to and more like a supertech morse code) at the signal tower, then this digital signal is given a physical representation (the way the 'beep' in morse code could represent a '1' in binary: his process is called modulation), sent out over the air, received, converted from the physical form to the digital code (demodulated), and the little boxes on/in the TVs convert this to an analogue picture. Those boxes they're handing out are basically modems (modem = modulater/demodulater), in the same way cellphones are basically radios, plus a DAC (digital to analogue converter) to change the digital signal to an analogue one for TVs that can't process digital signals.
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« Reply #196 on: Nov 08, 2007, 08:23:22 PM »

This is all quite educational!  Thank you, fellows!
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« Reply #197 on: Nov 09, 2007, 07:03:49 AM »

Nothin' better than insomnia and 30 Rock. This week's was just killerly awesome.
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« Reply #198 on: Nov 09, 2007, 02:07:51 PM »

Tim Kring Is Sorry Guys

Weird.
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« Reply #199 on: Nov 09, 2007, 02:52:23 PM »

That is weird, but he's hit the nail on the head a lot of times.  The whole "everyone is separate and then moves together slowly" model only really worked for the first season 'cause we were still wondering what was up.  When I went back to the DVDs of S1 of heroes, I found episodes 3-8 or-so to be hard to watch 'cause there was so much exposition I already knew about, and it wasn't as fun to watch a second time knowing, for example, that Noah Benett is a good guy.

The last two episodes have been good, though, and a little more attention-grabbing.  But I can't believe that Maya and Allejandro might not make it to the next volume of the story, 'cause if they don't, their mini-storyline is pretty much horrible and retata, whereas it was just getting pseudo interesting with Sylar gettin' evil. 

I'm rambling.  I need caffeine.
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